Robert Pattinson - Post-Movie Coffee - Remember Me

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Post-Movie Coffee - Remember Me

Welcome to the Post-Movie Coffee. Much like a discuss post, this occasional series will tackle thoughts our Cinematical writers are mulling over about recent releases. You know -- those plot points and discussion topics you want to dig into with a coffee after a screening.

The idea for this series has been swimming around in my head for a while, but it never insisted on hitting the written page until now. Last week, Robert Pattinson's Remember Me hit the screen. Before its release, public concern focused on how Pattinson would deal with a mainstream starring role that didn't have him grimacing every time the tasty-smelling Bella Swan walked by. Once people saw the film and its controversial ending, however, the dialogue flipped. In what has to be one of the lowest scores for a decent movie, the film has suffered a 26% Fresh rating at Rotten Tomatoes, with critiques flinging words like ridiculous, manipulative, overwrought, shamelessly exploitative, insignificant, trivializing, vile, cheap, and unforgivable.

And for the first time in a very long time, I completely disagree with popular critical opinion.

(Seeing that this is a discussion of the film and its ending, here is your obvious SPOILER WARNING.)



Remember Me focuses on the hot-headed but well-meaning life of Tyler Hawkins (Robert Pattinson), and his romance with the good girl Ally Craig (Emilie de Ravin). The story is nothing new. Both have suffered terrible tragedy in their past -- Ally's mom was killed in front of her at a young age, while Tyler's brother killed himself -- and they play out the timeless tale of the misunderstood bad guy and that rare girl who recognizes his noble motivations. All the typical characterizations are there: bad-dad Charles Hawkins (Pierce Brosnan), the overprotective pop Sgt. Neil Craig (Chris Cooper), the slutty and immature best man-friend Aidan Hall (Tate Ellington), and the smarter-than-her-years younger sister Caroline Hawkins (Ruby Jerins).

While the characters are all too familiar, how their lives play out is not. Usually a drama uses character twists that you may or may not buy into -- the bad guy goes good, the good guy goes bad. In Remember Me, it's all grey, where even the most stereotypical aspects are given real rationale. Young Caroline is an art prodigy, but this rare talent isn't just a cinematic device bubbling up out of nowhere -- you can see how she's developed her talent as a desperate way to earn her father's attention and approval. That dad Charles, meanwhile, fills out every truly despicable bad father moment, but when faced with severe trauma, when his familial awkwardness is replaced by the instinctual drive to protect his family, he becomes real. The realism in these characterizations makes them familiar not because we've seen them so many times before, but because they become like people we've encountered through our lives, rather than just people on a screen.

That's compounded by a strict decision not to wallow in pain. Save the shocking death of Ally's mother in the beginning of the film, Allen Coulter chooses to back off the ten-tissue drama where we see people sob and fall apart. The knife is not stuck in and twisted. There is always emotion, but he knows you don't have to show it to make an impact. When Caroline walks into that party of jerky little girls, your gut knows what will happen, but instead of lingering, we only see the aftermath. And of course, when Tyler bikes to his dad's office, finally finding the humanity in the man he's hated, we don't see why this moment is both beautiful and devastating first-hand.

The ending... With hints that you either recognize from the get-go, or smack your head in exasperation afterward, Tyler is waiting for Charles in his World Trade Center office. Caroline's teacher has written the date on the board -- September 11, 2001. You don't need to see the explosion; you know what happens. The camera pans out from the towers, and then we're shown a brief montage of each character dealing with the tragedy. Neil tries to help with the disaster; Caroline walks out of the school and realizes her brother or dad will never again be there to get her or drop her off; Charles realizes that he is losing another son, just as he got him back. The shots linger long enough to pay tribute without hungrily eating up each character's pain. And when it ends with Ally taking that subway ride she never got to take a decade before, it's the right time.

I can understand why many viewers are angered. September 11 is the gut-wrenching tragedy people of today live with. The film taps into our collective experience, which recalls our own pain while making these people real. The story gains a semblance of reality much more worthy than if the obviously doomed Tyler got killed in an accident, shot, or any other typical deadly device. The film is about 9/11 in that many normal, regular people were lost in those towers, who had lives much like our own. They weren't heroes or demons, just people who died much too soon. Situated as it is, we're reminded of our own loved ones and people we lost, how each person in that tower had a story, and simply that at any time, this can all be taken away -- whether by an act that affects one, or an act that affects the world.

To frame this as a 9/11 story in marketing or presentation would make this film's meaning cease to exist. Every action and reaction would be a means to an ever-looming end, rather than a real life simply snuffed out without warning by a terrible tragedy. That day is so big, so heavy, that no real story -- where heroism is no more than humanity -- could hold up to the pressure. And as we sit here almost ten years later, it's nice to stop thinking about the spectacle and what came after, and to imagine the stories that were lost.

Obviously, I'm in the minority, so I'd love to hear what you think below. Did you like it? If you didn't, how would you have changed the film, or how could the same story be made in a way that you appreciate?

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29 comments:

rpattzgirl survived Rob! said...

Wow...amazing review of someone who GETS IT....

Angie said...

Thank you for posting this.

It is an awesome review. I am so glad that there are people out there with brains and are willing to share their knowledge.

The comments at that site are wonderful, too.

wensdazzled by ThePretty said...

thanks so much for posting this Kat--i get goosebumps reading this review--what an awesome review--they get it

Rebecca Alvarez Flaviá said...

I really love this review. Gosh, I can still feel the knot in my chest from reading about the end. I agree with you saying it was characters and stories that we had heard before only this movie dealt with it differently.
A very powerful film, seriously.

dc said...

Thank you for your review. For me this story didn't come into focus until the ending. Very haunting film.

shufflebin said...

Amazing review. The writing flows very well too and such a good read.

This is one movie, the more I watch it, the better it gets.

And the music is haunting, when I get home, it is still playing in my head.

Have you been in a vortex of a storm? Where it is so quiet and calm and perfectly still? That's how I feel when Tyler was standing by the window. Sooo eerie and nerve-wracking.

Lisa said...

I wish more people would read this review.

People were so ready to hate this movie, regardless of how good it was, simply because it was Robert, that they failed to see the STORY and the MEANING, they just looked for a reason they felt valid in order to vilify it.

This review spells out exactly how I felt when I saw it. And it can't be said that I only feel this way because I'm a fan of Robert's. My mother (who basically spends most of her time making fun of Rob and of me for liking him LOL) felt the same exact way about this movie.

I will be honest, when I read the script and found out the 'twist', I got very nervous about it. Hey, I'm a NYer, you know? While this was a national tragedy, it felt maybe a little more personal for us. I really vacillated between wanting to go see it in the theatre and waiting for the dvd so I could watch it alone.

I thought the ending was handled tastefully and effectively. I went to see the movie Saturday afternoon, and while I was in the theatre, a Nor'Easter blew thru and we lost power Saturday night. We didn't get power back until Wednesday night, and I lived in a local hotel until then. Even with my life in disarray, I could not lose the image of Tyler looking out that window as the camera panned out, that's how much it affected me.

It made you stop and think, really think, about those poor, poor people. They had lives, and stories, and hopes and dreams. We focus so much on the tragedy, we lose sight that we lost 3000 individual stories that day. Remember Me brings that into focus. We are remembering the event, but we need to remember the "me's".

Lisa said...

damn, I'm verbose tonight!

AnnaD said...

After seeing this movie I felt lost for days, much like I did after 9/11. I felt crazy for feeling that way. I seriously had to sit down after it and talk about it with a friend because I didn't know what else to do. After reading the interview with the writer and reviews like this, I don't feel so crazy anymore. There were thousands of families that lost somebody that day. Seeing a family, however fictional, losing someone like that was heart-wrenching.

My younger sister, who is NOT a fan of Rob (loathes him, actually) went with me to see it and she's been telling people how good it is and that everyone needs to see this film. Some people are so close-minded and they really just need to take a step back and watch it objectively already. Who cares if it's Rob? Just because he's in it doesn't make it a bad movie.

shufflebin said...

I read the article from the source.

Post your comments there, too, I did. And I felt the release I have been looking for. I found the venue for what I have been feeling to impart all along.

I feel at peace.

Lisa said...

shufflebin, I did the same. I think that it's high time people came out in support for this movie.

You know, I have to wonder. If one of the critics darlings had been in this film~Clooney or Pitt or...I dunno...someone they adore regardless...would we be hearing words like "manipulative"?

Or would we be hearing "brilliant!" and "oscar worthy"??

Kathy S said...

OMG, the critique and the comments are absolutely amazing. So many people really did "get" this film. It is actually a crying shame that the so called critics have probably ruined the box office for this film. I do think that word of mouth might still resurrect it-I certainly pray that it does. Rob was so very courageous to make this film, and I now understand why he was a co- producer. You gals are so amazing with your comments!!:)

Kerri said...

Im in tears reading this review. It says everything Ive tried to say. Thankyou for writting my exact sentiments so eloquantly.

This movie was different for me. And not just because it was a RPatz movie. It simply meant somthing. You were hit in the chest in the end, reliving that day like it was yesterday. I think alot of people realized that we havn't really moved on like we thought. The ending was so poinient and meaningful that I am completely baffled by the critics behavior. Sure, everyone has their own way of dealing with 9/11, but we're all the same as Tyler or Allie. Ordinary people.

I guess the critics cant see past their self ritcheous views of 9/11. Theres no such thing as political correctness when dealing with such a sensative subject. So why arnt more people freaking out over all these Iraq movies being sensationalized by Matt Damon, huh? Because Robs movie meant somthing much deeper then the CGI, over exposed hollywood juggernauts.

I belive Rob and the gang handled it with grace and poise.

Kerri said...

Oh yeah. I forgot to say thatI think there are alot more of those who feel the same as we do about this movie. The critics are privledged to a sloo of media outlets that we are not. Thank God for the internet. WillFetters responded to my twitter. He said not to feel sorry for him, that having people talk about the movie is better then having no movie at all. It was disappointing what the critics thought, but our opinion, the movie goers, are what counts.

shufflebin said...

@Lisa

I tried to look for your comments from the article source. What number was it?

I saw JesseGirl because it was just after mine (JesseGirl, was that you, I am assuming)

Lisa said...

@ ShuffleBin~

My posts are as "elle", numbers 43 and 45 :)

nikola6 said...

I too went over there and commented (uh...three times) and yes, this Monika nailed it. It's interesting reading all sides of the coin on this thing and I'm beginning to suspect that we've got the makings of a cult where this film is concerned because those who love it, LOVE IT! And it feels like were trying to keep it alive (and were not gonna forget it) and maybe this internet that I rail against all damn day long, might actually do some good here.

But the backlash against Rob (and anything Twilight related) is to be expected. For all of it's worldwide popularity, just as many hate it (without having read the books or seen the films. they just hate it because so many are hysterical about it. a current favorite sport amoung many is mocking and laughing at the TWIhards which is what they assume every fan is and I resent that a tad because I am not a TWIhard. I'm a Robhard. Okay. That didn't come out right, but you know what I mean) and they resent him for achieving a level of fame that they feel he hasn't earned. And all he can do is keep making quality films and keep growing as an actor and some he'll sway and some he never will. As for the film...

As I said previous, I feared the exploitation factor too, but it simply wasn't there and I only realized that as the film played out. Because there was nothing wrong with placing that character randomly in that window because all of those people who died that day, did so randomly. Those final scenes played out exactly as it did on that day. And THIS is what people missed. If they'd just caught THAT, this film would have been received differently.

I wonder if some of these critics are even bothering to read these comments by their peers and audience members who 'got it' and might be compelled to go back and take a second look and maybe come back and revise their comments. If they would own up to 'missing it' if in fact they realize that they did. Or if they'd just stick to their guns no matter what. Alot of times when a film that's gotten a critical lashing comes out on DVD, alot of times the critics opinions change favorably towards the film. And that's because they have to view it a second time and you always 'see' more the second time. It will be interesting to see if some opinions change a bit when this film is released on DVD. 'Course that won't save it from being 'perceived' as a failure because it wasn't a box office hit. In terms of pop culture awareness, all that matters is, if something made money. Something could be the biggest piece of shit to come down the pike in 50 years and if it makes money, it will get lots of attention. Those that fail financially, won't get no more ink...in the pop culture. But that's where cults come in. They keep something 'going.'

jessegirl said...

shufflebin, Lisa (like you verbose, Elle), Sharig, Nikola, Kerri: I noticed you all over there. I was #40 and #48, couldn't stick to just one, as is my way. Quite a Robsessed fest. And why not? When I left there were 50 comments there. Maybe tomorrow some of the rest of us can wander over there.

Nik -critics revise their opinions? In what lifetime? By the way, your ususal astute observations at 'coffee'. I was serious about the film being Oscar worthy. Having just seen the Robless Oscars, RM has at least as much gravitas and class as that lot.

I found it interesting that Monika had had the idea for the post-movie coffee for some time, but that Remember Me--not Precious, not Avatar, not Hurt Locker, not Alice--inspired her to start.

My husband is a post widower these days, as I cannot get that movie out of my head. A cult following. Hmm.

Not making much sense anymore but I know you will all let it slide. I've got to work tomorrow--well, in 6 hours.

WhyIstheRumAlwaysGone said...

It was a great review, and the comments keep flowing! I think Nik is right - maybe the Internet is going to help. I posted another link to another article in another thread (Bryan Reesman's on Moviefone hot topics) and Reesman was saying he had never got so many comments, its was overwhelming. So maybe there's something stirring up there. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

jc(britlover) said...

Finally!!!

angie-k said...

Excellent review!! To echo so many who have already commented here, "FINALLY!!!"

Finally someone gets it. This article captures what I was feeling and thinking after seeing this movie, but wasn't able to so eloquently put into words.

Several people I know have complained they didn't like the movie because it didn't have a happy ending. Tough. Life doesn't have a happy ending, but that doesn't mean that all the stories and experiences along the way weren't special.

MsTaurus14 said...

I was very impressed with this review, because the writer did "get it". I thought the movie was really good, and the ending was tastefully done. It makes me mad when I hear that RM is a romance "chick flick"...NO it's not...it's a whole lot more. There was a good strong cast in this and I feel each one brought it "home" in each of their characters.

Jane said...

This is one of the best movies that I have seen in a long time. So captivating and real, making you think movie. I have seen it four times and I am a middle aged woman. I think about it during the day and it makes me cry. I know I will watch the DVD over and over. It is haunting and one that I will not forget.

shufflebin said...

jessegirl, Lisa, Sharig, Nikola, Kerri:

I saw your comments there, I replied to Jessegirl because hers is just after mine and I recognized her. It is a very good write-up.

RM is poignant, has an impact, social relevance and will leave lasting memories. Title is very apt. Avatar, AinW, are but entertainment.

I hope more people catch on and see the movie. I am seeing it again and again.

AP said...

Another thoughtful and insightful assessment of RM. I especially liked the reference to "stories that were lost." So many lives were swallowed up by the catastrophe which is now so often described as a single event, or by a date, yet each was unique. RM, whether seen as successful or not, attempts to tell the story of just one - and I am thankful for it.

desi said...

Nik6!!! Great to hear from you, mihinui from Kiwiland!!!

Really inciteful comments from everyone!!!

Haven't seen the film and probably won't, above my PG rating aye Nik!!! hahahaha!

But that's why I love this site because of everyones level headed, clearly explained reasoning!!! Cool!!! All of ya!

Keep it up Robsessed Whanau!!!
And that's what I consider all the positive Robsessedites 2B!
(Whanau means family in Maaori-the indigenous/native language of NZ!)

desi said...

Hi again! FYI Whanau is pronounced far-no!

Susanne said...

Great review, finally!

The ending was tastefully done, it reminds people of all those life that have been lost - and that were similar to Tylers life.

I´m living my life in a way that I will never have to regret something even if today were my last day.

It could happen to anybody. So enjoy your life while it lasts.

solas said...

About time.

 
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