Summit Entertainment finally revealed that Breaking Dawn would be made into 2 movies! We have 3 more Robward movies (including Eclipse)!
I wonder if that means we'll have a prolonged "honeymoon"? .....You don't think so? Yeah neither do I...
Dear Summit, now that you have tons of time for Breaking Dawn here's a suggestion: show me some HOT Robward/Krisella scenes and preferably on the Isle Esme with little clothing 'cause fanfiction just ain't enough :)
From Variety:
Summit Entertainment has made it official -- it's splitting the final "Twilight" film in two.
Studio announced early Thursday evening that "Breaking Dawn" would be released as two movies, with the first set to open on the previously announced date of Nov. 18, 2011. Summit didn't disclose the second date.
In recent months, Summit has closed its deals for helmer Bill Condon to direct "Breaking Dawn" -- the final tome in author Stephenie Meyer's four-book vampire series -- and for the supporting players to return.
It was widely expected that Summit would split "Breaking Dawn," the last chapter in the love story of bloodsucker Edward and mortal Bella, into two films.
Summit gave no other details in the announcement other than disclosing that production on the pics will start in the fall.
Catherine Hardwicke helmed the first pic while Chris Weitz directed the second, "New Moon." David Slade was behind the camera for the third, "Eclipse," which opens June 30.
Scribe Melissa Rosenberg has adapted each installment and is currently working on the fourth.
Gozde: So what do you think? Happy? Not happy? The first vote is mine and I'm happy...How can I say no to more Robward? Plus I REALLY loved Breaking Dawn :)
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Bless your heart, Goz. Thanks. Is that Calvin Klein ad for real?
Yep, dancing on my tip toes. Always happy for more Robward even if it does mean waiting longer for the series to end.
No Laurie, the ad isn't real, that's a photoshopped picture :)
Goz,
I was hoping, but knew it just couldn't be. Nice fantasy though.
Almost an underwear commercial...lol
I doubt with Stephenie on board as producer they will head towards anything explicit. I know there won't be any visual of my fav biting moment (headboard.) Nah, soft focus and fade to black. I am holding out, though, for the moonlit swim, and a few feathers...please.
Well. Was there really any doubt? The only reason Hollywood gets out of bed in the morning, is to make money. But I gotta shake my head and laugh...
I followed a link to somewhere about this and read some of the comments. As usual (with this fandom) most are in the negative. Never have I seen so much negativity about something (these books, these movies, these actors) translate into so damn much money. How does that work? Oh yeah. Because people for the most part haven't got the first clue as to what it is they're talking and complaining about...
* 75,000 signatures to get that Rob Pattinson ousted from the role (I believe some even compared that incomprable face to a...gargoyle?)
Then everybody fell in love with him.
* New Moon is gonna suck 'cause Rob's not in it. It didn't. He was.
* Kristen's Eclipse wig is ugly. She's gonna look like shit. Nope. It isn't. She doesn't.
* The love story in Eclipse is getting screwed for the action. It won't. Summit knows which side of the bread their butter is on.
* There was no triangle in the book. She only loved Edward. Yes, there was. Bella had an affair of the heart with Jacob. He was a valid choice for her, another path, and even Edward knew it.
* Now with Breaking Dawn...there isn't enough story for two books. The second half is going to be a disaster because the fandom will have died out (hmmm...Harry Potter is still going strong after what? damn near a decade). How are they going to film that "thing" of a baby? They will.
And on and on and on...bitching, pissing and moaning. And you know what's gonna happen? Everything is gonna come out in the wash as it has thus far. Everyone is gonna show up at the box office with their wallets open...TWENTY TIMES!
These are professional movie makers. They know what they're doing. That's why they have these jobs. They know their material and they know their audience. And they have yet to fail on deliver.
Oh. And all this pissin' and moaning about promoting Taylor. So what? Do you not have enough confidence in Rob Pattinson's talent and in his extrodinary beauty that his position in these films and his status as the biggest 'under 30' actor in the world, can be threatened by sweet, ordinary Taylor Lautner of whom if they removed that six pack from his body, he's be starring on the Disney channel?
Sorry. But jesus christ if this shit isn't starting to get old. Isn't it? Or am I just a grumpy bitch tonight?
LOL, I think the gumpiness may be right since you counter attacked before anyone here made a negative comment :)
AP...
What I cannot for the life of me understand is this...
Meyer wrote the words. She described the situations; feathers flying, tearing a black lace negligee from her body, channeling the 'excess' (his orgasm) by slamming the headboards, once she was turned; no holding back sex as they tore the clothes off of each others body as "their bodies tangled gracefully into one" (he entered her), how their laughing together in bed affected their bodies because they were still connected to each other (he was still inside of her). She wrote those very descriptive words and 12year old girls read them. So...
Why can't we see those images brought to live on the screen? It doesn't have to be vulgar? If Meyer insists on sanitizing her own words, now THAT is something to bitch and piss and moan about.
Just an opinion.
I agree about SM. I think just because of her religion she is thought of as a prude. She was as graphic as she could get with a young adult category book.
Didn't you get a little "hot and bothered" when you were reading the book? The leg hitch? The scenes Nik wrote about?
I trust SM, she never failed me yet and I don't think she will :)
Well Goz...
I guess what got me going was those negative comments I read on that Twilight site. And yeah, I've read 'em here too.
It's just that you hear so much...
'I'm not gonna like this' and 'I'm not gonna like that' and then the movie comes out and the consensus is...'oh, I loved it'.
Guess grumpy bitch should just shut up.
Or go get a beer. LOL!
Nah. Then I'll just be a grumpy drunk bitch with wonky typing.
From what I've heard, part of Summit's contract with SM is that the movies won't be rated higher than PG-13. I don't know how explicit you can get before the rating gets changed to R, but I hope they push it to the limit. I wonder if having fake sex on screen with your real significant other is harder or easier than with just another actor?
What I found interesting about Summit's press release is the fact that the name after Kristen, Rob, & Taylor is Billy Burke. Then they list the other Cullens. I guess they realize he steals every scene he's in.
Hey Goz, it's nice to see you are alive :) and you always show yourself with good news!
I'm still alive and kicking baby! :)
Hopefully I'll be around more from now on :)
I miss you all!
Muah!
Yes Goz...
All of those scenes I just described and the leg hitch (oh my my...the leg hitch), they sure as hell curled my toes. And there is a way to film these scenes without them being over the top graphic or vulgar. I wouldn't want that. But how can they avoid this...
They have sex when she's human and I would imagine those scenes would have to filmed with some gentleness, some tenderness, showing his fear. But then she's turned and now she's stronger than he is. Don't they have to show the difference in their love making? The before and after? And I think they can without making this an R rated film. And that's the bugaboo. Since Meyer herself has claimed to never have seen an R rated film (and I believe her as many people in my own family have not as the church STRONGLY discourages it), she will never allow one of her books to be turned into one. NEVER! But it doesn't have to.
I think if they want to lose repeat business on BD, then they should turn the camera away from Edward and Bella in bed and show us the waves crashing on the beach. The women in the audience will groan. My god, they show more graphic content on cable television than they do in films these days. Why? Why can't Hollywood market and R rated movie to a mass audience anymore?
I don't know how coherent I can be right now as eyelids drooping...I know her words are quite descriptive - it being sex after marriage - however, the MPAA ratings board is another matter, and I think she wants to keep in the PG-13 range. That still means the scenes can be 'hot' but certain kinds of explicit nudity, or orgasm, are out - as you know. And certainly they won't match my 'visuals' as I read it...lol I could well be wrong about her intention, and Rob will get his wish, then... :)
Kate & co...on the money as usual with the latest about Breaking Dawn...thanks heaps...again...
Hey Nik... talkin to the Lord again, that's a start...I know it's not what you mean it to be but I'll take it...
I'm a "mormom"..had 10 kids...with 1 man...obviously a lot of sex going on somewhere...we're definately not prudes...but I'm personally not into gratfication without reasoning...
Marna...I've seen plenty of"M" rated movies, tv progs and music videos with way more full on simulated sex than most PG13's...so I think the ratings issue is "red herring". What was "Remember Me" PG13???
@Nik...go hard girl, get all that frustration off ur chest...we're here 4U!
Desi, you have 10 KIDS?!?! Damn woman! I bow down to you :)
Oh what news this morning.
Well, then.
I've said before, for me they can make a movie, alone Esmes island. I would love him and make my daily bedtime story.
Too bad for RobSten. If it is real, and Summit has the hand on it , then this silly little game will take even longer. And that sucks!
...P.S...Taylor needs all the promotion he can get...How many movies has he filmed since "New Moon" compared to what Rob's been up to???
Share the love people!!!
And yes Marna...
A lot of real life lovers are hesitant to 'go for it' on screen.
They tend to hesitate, to hold back because they feel that it exposes too much of their real selves; how they hold, caress or kiss their real life lover. So...that could be a bit of a hitch in the giddy up here too.
And some say 'fuck it' and go for it because for once, they don't have to hold back.
I do not know Rob and Kristen's feelings on the matter. But if I were either of them, I would feel strange about it for one reason. They have to know that this fandom has wondered and fa
As my point already made by others, I'll go and get some rest.
@Nik: yeah, I agree - I'm happy to see the Twilight movies with Rob in 'em, and crunch my popcorn too.
@Goz: nice to see you're alive and still kicking. :)
Godze...luv u!!! don't praise me too much...what was I doin 2 minutes ago...growling our 2 year old twins cause they were tryin to touch the laptop while I was trying to enter my comments...
...come 2 think about it...there was probably a little too much sex goin on in our house ...haahaahaahaahaaa
I enjoy all your comments!!!!
what I'm wondering is this: how will part one end? Tampon box in hand? Edward impersonating a statue on the bathroom floor? Bella's hand on her belly and the phone at her ear?
Sorry. Hair trigger comp posted on it's own. What I was saying was...
They have to know that this fandom has wondered and fantasized about the two of them together. I mean, they know about the fan-fic; the Edward and Bella fic AND there's even Rob and Kristen fic (I started one and couldn't finish the first page. It made me feel like I was looking in their window). Hell, Rob's even admitted to reading it. So yeah, if it were me, I would feel strange in acting out sexual situations for the camera but only because I would know that so many have already visualized just such a thing and not just as the character I was playing, but as myself and my real lover. And with them trying to keep what they have between private, opening themselves up like this could be awkward for them. I don't know.
Do you think SM will okay a director's cut DVD?
You know, show a little more lovin a la Remember Me?
Hey nikola!!!
About the sam Bradley tickets what did you find out ??
I think I'm going to need three tickets.
LOL Desi, thanks. I have a niece and even she is too much for me, I don't think I could ever handle 10 kids and still manage to come on a blog :)) That's some serious multi tasking.
Nik, the blog started posting your comments automatically after they pass 500 words, that's why your comment was cut "short" :P lol, just kidding...kinda :)
I see what you mean, Nik. The director of Eyes Wide Shut (sorry, I forgot his name) said that he couldn't wait to film a sex scene between two actual lovers and that that scene was shot with a minimal crew. With Rob and Kristen as private as they are (they hesitate to even kiss publicly at an award show), I think they are professional enough to keep business at a business level during intimate scenes.
There were some comments made about next year's MTV best kiss awards being a shoe in for Rob and Kristen because the public will want to see how much they'll show next time. I've gotta tell you, I still don't think they'll trot out any part of their affection for the sake of any award. People might just vote for the Bella/Taylor kiss just to see if Kristen will kiss someone for show. You know they will.
I would think that the best place to end part one would be the moment she opens those red eyes as this is where the entire story to this point was leading to...her becoming a vampire.
Godze...it ain't multi-tasking
per se...it's multi growling more like it...haahaahaa...plus its 7pm Fri night ova hea...
Now that you brought that up, Nik, that would be a good way to end part one; take care of the birth and change in one movie and then focus on the Volturi in the other. It will be interesting to see how Rob will play a happy Edward.
jlesentangled...YES...Kristen& Rob vs Kristen&Taylor best kiss...i thought abo1ut that too while watchin the MTV's...
...who would I vote 4...depends who's kiss is hottest!!!! Sorry what am I thinkin, of course it's gonna be Rob & Kris...
...Nik...200% YES for ending Pt1.
*Jumping up and down like a freaking idiot*
YES YES YES!!!!!!
Everyone else is so calm. Well not me. Woooohooooooooooo!!!!!!
Grumpy-pusses only have 3%..WTF??? Now I'm grumpy~!
LOL~!!!
I'll be happy if making it into two movies really makes a difference and is not just a way to make double money... By then, all the young fans of Twilight will be over 16, so I guess we can have what we are all waiting for... LOL... Loads of sex, a perfect honeymoon, a room destroyed, Bella giving birth, fabulous special effects for the final battle, I want to see Bella's shield growing over everyone she loves, I want to see her as beautiful as Edward sees her... I want to see on screen what's on my mind!
Yeah, I think the bedroom scenes could be similar to the one in RM. That wasn't a graphic love scene but it was very passionate (not long enough for my taste though) and it was rated PG-13. And possibly Meyer might be okay with an R rated director's cut (with great big warning labels). But as I said, she will never go for graphic nudity, vulgarity or soft core porn (that would be Bel Ami. don't worry, we'll get him with his panties down yet. lol). And I would agree with that. That's not what these scenes need to be. But I think I hit on the word...they must be PASSIONATE!
And speaking of that love scene in RM...it was really tamed down from the one I read in the script. And I didn't read the one online. I read an actual hard copy that I had to return pronto. In that scene they were sitting on the edge of the bed, both starkers, her straddling him and...oh my. They were going to town. But, they wanted that PG-13 rating, so...we got shadows, silloettes and the lovers falling out of frame onto the bed. Even the morning after scene; he pulls her on top of him and the camera fades away. Yet they shot the scenes nude except for a small scrap of strategically placed material. (didn't Rob say he felt bad for the cinematographer because he had to look at his bare ass all day? I want that job dammit. I'll pay them).
And no. I did not pass my 500 word limit there. I actually counted the little suckers and there are only...ONLY??? 258 words in that post (including the "I's" and the "a's". So there. **sticks her tongue out** :)
(yes, in addition to my chattiness, I am also known for my...maturity)
Hi Nik! Nice to read you. I love reading your comments. Makes me feel like an angel :o) You're right about everything...
I guess I wouldn't really want to see BD made into a "porn" movie, though it's passionate in the book, it's suggested by SM not really shown...
Off course, if you've already experienced quite a lot of things, you know what they are doing or could be doing, so it makes it easier to visualize. It can get frustrating!
But if you're 12, what do you know? That they had fun? LOL...
I'm sure they can make it look good... If we hear the bedframe crack and see the hole in it afterwards, imagination will do the rest... LOL... And god knows we've got loads of that in stock...
Goodnight Nik if you plan to go to bed one of these days...
Take care.
@nik girl readig your comments girl keep writing =))
love that I a really happy to see robward more
LMAO@Nik copying and pasting that shyte into her facebook status or a word doc. Cause you know she didn't count that shyte..that fast.
This makes me really curious about BD. Anticipating where it leaves off and where it starts.
Jacob seeing Renesmee for the first time maybe? :)
Nik- Agree with your first comments about the haters. I am so tired of people whining about 2 movies versus 1. The majority of things i have read elsewhere on other sites is that they are copying HP w/ 2 movies. Well my thought is if there is that much packed into 1 book then heck make 3 movies for all I care!! I'll spend my money!!!!!! I just wish we did not have to wait a year and a half for another movie! yikes!!!!! Thank heaven the are other Rob movies to obsess over in the meantime!!!
@ nikola your on a roll!!
Did u get or read the comment I posted like an hr ago???
I think that Rob will be ok with the sex scenes. Just listen to what the boy said - I got the vibe that he is curious, he wants to see their actions on screen lol. He is very sensual and eager to explore his sexuality, and he feels comfortable with Kristen. I'm sure he can pull it off, not so sure about Kristen but hey, she may be in the Robsten bubble right, and just forget about the camera.
@Sissi...
Of course making it into two films is about the money. Because with five films and the DVD's and the merchandising, they're gonna close this thing out at close to four billion smackaroonies. I mean, they're already at what, nearly a billion and a half? And that's just the first two films. And with those kinds of numbers, this franchise is going to go down as one of the biggest in film history.
And one of the problems in adapting beloved novels to the screen is...they just can't get it all in. If they did, we'd have a 10 hour movie and they can only use that which can be visualized. It's tricky, I know. And in the case of Breaking Dawn, there are moments I'd love to see in the film that aren't even in the book. In particular...
For my money, there just was not enough interaction between Edward and Renesmee. There weren't enough moments of him holding her and kissing her and smelling her sweet baby scent. Of of him just sitting by her crib watching her sleep, looking at her with absolute awe on his face, because she is a miracle. She is HIS miracle. He never even gave a thought to being a father because he believed it to be an impossibility. But...there she is; a living miracle. Edward has something that his father and his brothers will never know...a child of his very own. I want to see more of that in this film, but I probably won't and so...that part of the story -for me- lives in my imagination.
But Meyer turned the story over to Jacob and HIS relationship with that baby. It still burns me, that one passage where Renesmee is ranking the people she loves in order of their importance to her.
1) her mother
2) Jacob
3) her father
I remember reading those words and my breath caught. I couldn't believe what I'd just read. Then I read 'em again and thought...'wait just a damn minute here. This is wrong. No man should be more important to that little girl, than her father.'
But as I said around here once before...
Meyer made no bones of the fact that Jacob was her favorite character and because she couldn't give him Bella, she came up with the ridiculous premise of imprinting so that she could do the next best thing and give him Edward and Bella's baby daughter.
And in the book, there wasn't enough gall on Edward's part about this. Because he could understand the imprinting, he was more accepting of it. I wanted more..."are you fucking kidding me?" from him about this. I mean, this was the guy who tried to take his wife from him.
But...we just gotta take what's offered to us and then, fill in the gaps ourselves...I guess.
Was that over 500 words? Oh fuck it. I'm not counting 'em again.
@ Gozde
Good to hear you love Breaking Dawn. Me too. Not sure why some people don't.
Can't wait for two movies. I think they should end the first half just as Jacob has eye contact with Renesmee and there's that hold your breath moment when he imprints and then they should begin the second movie with Bella's point of view, opening her eyes as a new born seeing the flecks of dust and colours with her new vampires eyes.
I've always found the imprinting thing kind of weird. In BD it's worse. Jacob wanted Bella and he gets her daughter... I wasn't confortable with that and if I had been Edward, i would have ripped his head off... You nearly got my wife, now you want and get my daughter? FU. LOL.
I would also love to see parts of Edward with Reneesmée but will just imagine them.
I'll take what I get in fact.
These twilight saga movies brought me, I mean us, ROBERT PATTINSON. That's the main point. They will never be as good as the ones I made up in my mind or in my dreams! I see them as different movies, nothing to do with the books and I've never been dissapointed so far... LOL...
And yes Kember...
I did actually count the words in that one post. And no, I don't got no Facebook and I didn't take the time to put it in a document and count them there. I read faster than I type. And I type pretty damn fast.
And yes Kimmie...
I just went back and read your post (missed it the first time). All the tickets are available. So you can have the three. And if you can round up three more people, then you can have the six. And remember, they were comped to me, so they're free. Now...I gotta figure out how to get them to you.
Tomorrow I'll call the Hotel Cafe (isn't that the name of the joint) and explain the situation and ask if they can put them in an envelope under your name...Kimmie. If they say no, that I've got to go down and show ID and claim them first, I will. And then have them put them in an envelope with your name on it. But I won't be able to do it until next weekend (the weekend before the show).
I'll come back here and chase you down and let you know what's what.
Okay?
Dude Nik, seriously... Have you ever taken an essay test with word limit?
That was 488 words, seems I was the one having difficulty with math this morning, I should have said 100 words or less :)
@nikola- yep it is the hotel cafe and yes ma'am , like I been trying to track you on here, I'll be looking out.
And thank you so much.
What if they ask me for id??
@Nik-it was a joke..LOL
The only time I read that fast is when it's a good book.
BTW, Taylor is watching "Nightmare On Elm Street", and she said.."OMG, Kellan just called that woman a bitch~!" Kind of surprised myself.
But anyways, I think we all know where this franchise is going in the future. Jacob and Renesmee see each other (fade to black). To be continued....
At least that's what I'm hoping. I'd like to see her all grown up, being as unique as she is.
Okay I really am going back to work now :) Later y'all!
Good Day Goz *waves*
Have a great day Goz
Well, what great news to wake up to! I am absolutely thrilled that Breaking Dawn will be split into two movies!
Surely this means that they won't have to rush over important bits of the story and cuts bits out because they don't have the time to include them....
I'm looking forward to an erotic honeymoon - doesn't have to be graphic - but we really want to see the passion between those two.
A great kiss in the ocean, hesitation in the bedroom, lots of kissing and building pssion, show what looks like sex, feathers flying, you get my drift.
It's such a great story... and the fact that it's two movies means we don't have to say goodbye to this great saga in the near future.
@ nik this is a bit OT I asked this on another thread that died. Has the "perceived failure' of RM hurt Rob standing in Hollywood? ie the ability to get the parts he wants. The other question is with the amount of product placement in the movies how much of the production costs were recouped before the movies hit the screen? As for BD I personally love the idea of two movies but I'm sure Rob feels that it's going to be an albatross at this stage
Goz...
I went back and counted that post again and I still came up with 258.
Minus the paragraph where I explained that I counted the post.
Now that big mother of a post that followed, the one where I said I to hell with counting it (okay. I didn't say "to hell with it", but...whatever), now that one may very well have been 400 and 90 something. Hell. It could have been 4,000 and 90 something 'cause I didn't count it. Is that the one you counted?
And, I've been thinking that we've been kidding around here, but do you have a problem with me writing so much? And it's certainly okay if you do. It's your blog. I can cut back if you want. It won't hurt my feelings if you do. I'm a big girl. As I've said before, this blog is my first venture into online communication and I've always felt that I've been doing it wrong. I just don't know how to convey ideas in a spurt. And there's no law that says I have to come here and convey ideas.
Just tell me what you want babe and I'll do it. No worries.
@nik talking for myself I dont think that you are doig it wrong girl I love reading your comments they can be long or not your points are really good
2,634 Nik :)
But that's characters..that's not words..maybe that's what she's talking about..I dunno..sorry.
I don't think it would be a good idea to end part one with Bella's red eyes opening. Because there needs to be a good opening for part two. The eyes opening would be that good opening to start part two and also it's the end of the story of Bella's human life, part two could be the beginning of her vampire life. Thats why I think ending part one with Jacob and Renesmee's eyes meeting would be good. I can just imagine him storming down the stairs heart broken and hating the abomination and then the baby looks at him over Rosalie’s shoulder and boom! To be continued :)
No. I knew you were kidding Kember. So was I.
And Kimmie...
I'll find all that out. But I'm going to explain that I'm giving these to someone from my online community where we don't put our real names out for all to see and therefore, I don't know what yours is and I'm guessing they'll understand that. And I'm also guessing that they're going to have to see my ID before I can claim them as my friend put them in my name. And I think once I claim them, I should be able to leave them there at the box office for Santa Claus if I want to. But I will let you know.
And now that I think of it, why don't we use our real names here? Just our first names?
One of my bestfriends writes on one of Hugh Jackman's boards and they all have screen names, but they sign their real names to their posts. 'Course that site has been up for nearly seven years and most of them have met each other over the years and so...they're actually friends. And I'll go first. My name is Barbara and I go by Bobbie or Bob. Either one. Although I'm used to Nik around here. If anyone calls me Bob, I won't know who the hell you're talking to. I'll think it's a typo and I'll correct you with...'it's not Bob, it's Rob. His name is Rob'. LOL!
And tgill...
I'll answer your question in a second post.
Damn. Goz went to work. Now I don't know if she wants me to shut up or not. Try to catch her tomorrow I guess.
Lemme run potty and I'll be right back. Was that TMI? Oh hell. I go potty. Rob goes potty. You all go potty. Don't deny it. LOL!
Kember...OMG!
When I saw that number, I nearly spit my cigarette out at the screen. I thought...'damn, if that's what I'm doing, then I need to up the valium.'
Or maybe try morphine. LOL!
God, I forgot the wedding!
Please make it as romantic as the book. The bit where their eyes meet as Bella walks towards Edward, and he gives her a beautiful smile - that really got to me, I can tell you. I was in floods of tears. Okay, I'm soppy, but I want the wedding to be just perfect, please.
OHHHH Nik..you are BOB to me from now on..trust. ;)
I guess I was thinking of the way they ended New Moon. He pops the question and she just kinda gasps and then...CUT! Black screen. It ended on a cliffhanger moment. And if they're looking to do it again (and I don't know that they are), THAT would be the cliffhanger moment. That is the moment that the entire story has been moving towards. And it would be VERY dramatic.
As for ending it with Jacob imprinting with the baby. For those who haven't read the book (and there are plenty who see these films and haven't bothered reading them. I personally know eight people of such), they won't know what that will mean. Him and that baby staring at each other and going all googily eyed. It won't make sense to the non reading part of the audience. And when they're making a film from a book, they have to assume some of the audience hasn't read it. That they're going in 'cold'. So, for the reading audience, yeah, that might be a good place to stop. But not for the WHOLE audience.
If they stop at Bella waking with those red eyes, there will be no doubt for ANYONE in that audience, what has happened.
Just an opinion.
Now I really gotta go pee so I can come back and answer tgill.
Okay Kember...
Maybe I'll go redneck and change my name to Nikki Bob. It sounds like that dumbass Ricky Bobby. Remember that Will Ferrell race car movie?
@ nikola6
I agree with you on Renesmee's ranking. I wanted to see more between her and her daddy.
But I totally understand why Edward was so accepting of Jacob imprinting on Renesmee. After all, Jacob helped Edward protect Bella. He is eternally grateful for that. He knows Jacob is the best choice for Renesmee future. He knows Renesmee will be threaten many times because of what she is. The Volturi. There are going to be more confrontations from them and more threats in her future. Jacob will be the perfect protector of his daughter and a way to keep the wolves and Cullens united.
I know the movie..but I like BOB..always have. :)
And fade to black means no trying to explain the imprinting. LOL. Then next movie; Bella opens her eyes. But what do I know? Heck, I read the books over a year ago and haven't read them since. They weren't really my thing to begin with. Not when it comes to vampire books. Robert was my thing, then came the books. :) BOB
"Chip, I'm gonna come at you like a spider-monkey~!!!"
I'm out like a boner in sweatpants.
Later Chicas
@ nik
I think they could make it understandable for the none readers. A look of hate that turns into a look of love? a word? Even if they don't get it, it's a cliff-hanger, it will be explained in the next movie. It leaves a question in the air. I'm sure people with put it together though. They will already know about the wolves imprinting by then and depending on how powerful/emotional that look is it should take much to guess. To turn from hate to a look of worship can only show an imprinting.
Good morning from the east coast ladies. Wanted to throw my two cents in because I know this post might be a long one...I'm really giddy about BD being two movies. The book was too long to squeeze into one. And can't complain about more Robward.
@Nik, always love your comments...have to say I look for yours first. You always "hit the nail right on the head". Like Gozde said, glad you got in here to counter before the negative comments rolled in. But tell me, do you sleep? :)
Sigh. It frustrates me so that they can't make BD a little more "passionate". The book was already a little frustrating to me. A little more detail wouldn't have killed me. But I guess with a Mormon author and a young audience I should just accept it, though it's hard. God, I've watched plenty of R-rated movies when I was 10, and I loved SATC, and it surely didn't screw me up. OK, maybe a little.. GIVE ME SOME EDWARD/BELLA LOVIN'.
Anyway, I'm not sure if I'm happy about two movies of BD, it depends on whether it means we'll have twice the amount of love scenes as well.
OK, I'm totally screwed up.
Liz...
As a matter of fact, I am an insomniac. I've suffered from it since early childhood. I average about 3 to 6 hours of sleep and rarely is it uninterupted sleep. I wake up every couple of hours or so. And then after a big bout of it...I can crash, sleeping up to 12-16 hours at one stretch. And I have a crazy brain that can run a 100 miles a minute with one thought leading to another and another...and another in a matter of a minute or two. I sometimes wear myself out. LOL!
And gracefulgrace...
My problem with the imprinting is that I believe it was used as a tool in order to keep Jacob relevant in the story once Edward and Bella were married and had their baby. Without the imprinting, what more does Jacob have to do with the story? (actually, he does. get to that in a minute) And...
It was met with such derision and mockery and with it being teenage boys imprinting with baby girls, for some it was seen as a form of pedophila. I do not believe that is what it was at all. I think Meyer was trying to write about soul mates. But it got misinterpreted and for many, it stopped this story right in it tracks. It did not work well on the written page and I don't know how it's going to translate on screen. I think it is a red button issue that should be dropped like a hot potoato. And truth is...you do not need imprinting to tell this story. It's not necessary. And you can still keep Jacob relevant in that he and the wolves are still needed to defend the baby from the Volturi. And...it ends Jacob's story on a bittersweet and therefore, more haunting note. At the end, he still loves Bella but accepts that this is her destiny and he leaves. Bella is still heartbroken over having to break the heart of her best friend. And Edward still has to deal with the fact that his wife
cares for another man. A man that HE drove her to by his actions when he left her. It doesn't wrap it all up in a pretty pink bow like a simple fairy tale. It gives the story more depth. More conflicting emotions. More dramatic implications.
I didn't like the imprinting because it took their choices from the characters. Sam did not want to break Leah's heart. He loved her. But his choice was taken from him. And how 'bout if Jacob decides not to kill the baby not because he is bound by imprinting, so he cannot. But because he realizes that she's not a monster, just a beautiful, innocent baby. That would be the choice of a man.
I just think it's a bad idea all way round. It weakens the characters who are afflicted with it (and I do think it's an affliction) and without, you have a more emotionally conflicted story as oppose to a fairy tale.
Just my take.
Gozde,BD is my fav book as well......how can it not be with our fav couple finally doing the deed and oh boy if Rob gets his way it'll be absolutely yummy......
in his interview after the mtv awards he said he'd like to see it an adult rating or at least I think that's what he said or implied......hell yeah I'm all for an adult rating...........
You gotta remember too...
The immaturity of some of this audience laughs at inappropriate moments in these films;
* when Edward is glaring at Bella in that biology class. He's in pain and the audience knows it and some laugh at it anyway.
* when they're lying in the meadow and he sparkles in the sunlight and they know he's a sparkly vampire and they don't see the beauty of the moment. They laugh at it.
* and the biggest laugh of all...Alice's vision of Bella as a vampire running through the forrest with Edward. In Breaking Dawn, they do run through the forrest together. But for some reason this moment just cracked everyone up. Even CW just recently said, that moment breaks his heart because people laughed it.
I've got a pretty damn good sense of humour and I didn't see anything funny about any of the scenes I just described.
But just you wait...
When Jacob looks at that baby and whatever special effects their gonna use to make it looks like he's just seen the face of God...
A lot of this audience is going to be on the floor with laughter.
I have no idea how they're going to film this scene. I personally think it's going to be the hardest shot in film to pull off.
Delle1...
I didn't see any after show interviews with Rob, but then, I miss a whole helluva lot around here. But since he said that, that he'd like a more adult story, he's got some pull now, some weight. Maybe we will get that director's cut afterall as I just cannot see Summit putting out three PG-13 movies and then for the finale, racheting it up to an R. Not gonna happen. Meyer will not allow an R rated film in the theatres. Maybe, just maybe she'll be okay with a director's cut.
I'm thrilled! Also hoping that Summit really does have Rob and Kristen do Women are from Venus men are from Mars together. That's been rumored too. I love Breaking Dawn. It is romantic, exciting, and a little gorey, but the romantic outweighs the rest. Love the Calvin Klein ad but wouldn't it be great if there actually were scenes like that in BD. We can only hope.
Rob didn't say he'd like to see an adult rating, he said in the French Premiere Magazine interview that "it would funny if they could actually turn the last installment to cater to a more adult audience with nude scenes an all-- that if summit manages to pull that off somehow that it'd be the most progressive company of our times" or something along those lines!
I doubt he's encourage an R rating knowing the fanbase is at least %50 very young kids. He was very vocal about how Eclipse was a "very serious-like a horror" film in his MTVMA interviews, you could see that maybe that's not how he actually envisioned the story, and possibly one of the reasons he and Slade didn't quite get a long!
@Nik, you are right about the immaturity level of the audience. I remember the kids laughing at the very first one, in Twilight, where Bella asks how long he's been 17...and he says "awhile". Some thought it was a joke? I didn't get why the kids laughed. I thought it would be sad & lonely to be seventeen forever.
Some kids are turning away from the series already (as my 15 yr old daughter and her friends, for example). It's become so big that the older teens see it as "not cool" anymore. The new director has his work cut out for him. Hopefully BD can turn it around and end the series on a high note.
Of course, for real fans of Rob, we'll always be here.
Happy to know we get to see Edward and Bella in yet two another movies a.k.a Breaking Dawns.Hope the artist keep their enthusiasm till the last movie though the audience is interested in watching- the actors have moved from their roles as they are still uprising the same concept again.
Yanno. Something else I just thought about here...
When they make love for the first time, they're both virgins. Which means, he has to break her hymen. Which means...she's gonna bleed. Down there. With that scent of fresh blood and the scent of her arousal all mixed in together, not to mention her blood on him and him being -for the first time- in an extremely hightened state of sexual arousal himself? Wouldn't this send him into a frenzy of bloodlust and...well...plain old lust itself? Although, I guess this is where the pillow biting came in to play. But still, in such a situation -one he'd never found himself in before- I really don't think a pillow would have cut the mustard. Know what I mean?
Has Meyer ever addressed this? Surely someone has posed this question to her. I know she gets uncomfortable when the questions get complicated and graphic (well hell lady. if you're gonna write about humans and vampires having sex together for the first time, things are gonna get complicated and graphic). I remember someone asked her if Edward's sperm was venemous and she said that she really didn't want to get into a discussion about 'seminal fluid'. My problem with that was...
His body was frozen. Just like the females who's ovaries were frozen and therefore, they couldn't drop anymore eggs. But isn't the reproduction of sperm and ongoing everyday physiological "change" in a man's body? Hmmm...me thinks me sees a hole in the storytelling here.
Oh. And as for Bella bleeding on her wedding night (there isn't even a mention of this in the book, is there?), this wouldn't be the same as menstrual blood. I remember that did come up with Meyer. Someone asked, wouldn't the Cullen boys be insane going to school with all these girls who bleed once a month? And Meyer's explanation was...mentral blood is dead blood and isn't potent to them. Sure Steph, if you say so. Sorry. But blood is blood. But I don't think she'd be able to say the same thing about a torn hymen. THAT would be fresh blood.
Man. I'd love to sit down with this woman. I've sure got a question (or 12) for her. Oooh. I hate a hole in story. Hate 'em.
Ah. So Rob was joking about making this more of an adult story. He was probably thinking of all that "hard core" fan-fic he read, thinking...'that's what they really want'.
Yes darling. It really is what we really want. LOL!
I think this is why the fan-fic for this story is so prolific and yes, hard core. The fan-fic writers are simply filling in the gaps of Meyer's story.
I've read fic stories where Edward and Bella "practice" before their wedding night. Not going all the way, but experiencing sexual release so that they know what to expect...especially Edward. And yanno? THAT makes perfect sense. Of course they should have practiced. They should have built up to it. To have them go from chaste kisses to full on sexual intercourse in the space of a day? Now THAT is a scenario that should have gotten her killed.
But Meyer dodged it because her own personal morals couldn't have her sweethearts even engage in over the clothes petting before marriage.
You know? This really is pretty damn silly.
Hi Nik. Your first paragraph - I guess that's why Edward was always reluctant to have sex with Bella while she was human.
The topic of blood was covered by a really good fan fic that I read. Apparently Edward noticed the smell while they were having sex but he concentrated on Bella's body and his feelings, and ignored the blood. Then afterwards he cleaned up the blood and changed the sheets while Bella was asleep.
Edward in a heightened state of sexual arousal - oh my! Now there's an image to enjoy!
Am I turning into a NB?!?
@Nik. May I suggest that you stop torturing your brain about those questions? LOL.
It's only a book and our boy will be there long after everybody forgets Twilight and SM and her high morals! I hope...
@Carole! With what you posted on the other thread, i must inform you that you are already a NB... LOL... Welcome on board and enjoy every single minute of the journey!
Exactly Carole...
He had every reason to fear this. But then he goes through with it. He makes love to her and he doesn't kill her. How?
How did he do this? In Meyer's story? Again, we don't get his point of view.
Another thing...
Because of the differences in their bodies, with his strength, holding her must have been like trying to hug a butterfly or a soap bubble. How do you have sex with something that you could crush in your hands (or with your body) if you lost control for even a fraction of a second? Sex is all about losing control. At that moment just before orgasm, instinct takes over. We (and especially a man) are not in control of our bodies in that moment.
The more I think about this, the more ridiculous it is becoming.
So stop thinking about it. This isn't high art or even good literature. It's a fairy tale. Damn. I hate it when I start thinking. It ruins everything. LOL!
Well Nick/Bobby ;) in a story about vampires that sparkle and mate and have children, being logical or having no plot holes regarding live semen that can impregnate a woman is the last thing WE should be concerned with lol. SM created the stupidest story lines ever, however Rob & Kristen has managed with their chemistry and (somewhat melodramatic)performance to turn it into a guilty pleasure for most. I think most people who've watched the films and are planning to still watch the rest, the story isn't the pinnacle of their interest, but the love & the romance, and thus all the complaining about the supporting characters...I think most people are following this and still watching to see the E/B romance bloom, they could care less about back stories or newborn vampires and action sequences, and that's where summit has failed. In the fact that it's trying too damn hard to insert equations that could validate the "story" more, be it to the fanboys or the public in general, where the "story" could never be validated. Meh I'll watch the movies for Rob and Kristen making googly eyes towards each other lol and that's about it!
Just put it that way Nik: Edward is superman. End of the discussion. There is nothing he can't do. LOL.
Feeling any better now that I found the solution to the problem? LOL.
Yeah. Okay Sissi...
Sometimes my brain does this. It starts to twirl.
Well damn. It's just after 5 am here in LA. Rob should be getting up at any moment to go to work and I think I'm gonna go try to lay my head down for a couple of hours.
Everyone have a good day.
Oh damn. I forgot to answer tgill. Sweetie? If you're on today and you spot me, nab me and remind me that I still hadn't answered you. 'Cause I got a really good answer for you on it.
Hey Nik...talk about heaps of food for thought...about Steps morals...if they were that hard core there is no way Edward and Bella would have been spending...every night together for the past, what was it, nearly 2 years...
...Mormon morals wise that shouldn't have been happening(i should know, haahaahaa)!!! But it was, so that told me something...I mean Bella was all for it and trying to push the boundaries all the time...not that they did anything, but, yea, they both would have been getting really excited!!! Or is that just me...haahaahhaaahahhaha
I always wondered too about the menstrual blood thing...
...about the hymen,(u r a deep thinker)I bet Steph would say it got broken when Bella was hard out riding the motorbikes...haahaahaaa
Edward did say he say he spoke to Carlisle and bros about having sex, u never know he might have done some "personal experimentation" to "see", haahaahaa, not that Steph would say this in Midnight Sun.
nikola6 - about the bittersweet ending. I'm all against it. It's illogical. You cannot love and desire one man in such an overwhelming manner which was between Edward and Bella and still care for another man. It's impossible. It goes against human nature. She can have a guilty concience, but that's it. She was tired of Jacob's love, it was inevitable. I think she had enough of it after the kiss. The kiss was illogical enough
The imprinting is ok, they are wolves, they are not typical human anymore and the imprinting shows the animal side of the pack very well. They have hive brain, eat raw meat, imprint like...animals. It is ok, because then you know that he was never the right option for Bella. Bella was born to be with Edward, that's the conclusion of this love story. He was too good to be alone but too stubborn to be happy. Everything Bella did was orchestrated by faith to break his will. There was this faith motive, and the epic love between them was meant to be. It's dramatic enough for me.
@ nikola6
I think the ending without the imprinting would have been pretty boring. It wouldn't have worked anyway. After all the wolf pack would have killed the baby and the Cullen for turning Bella if Jacob hadn't imprinted on the baby. Her being and cute baby Jacob like wouldn't have been a good enough excuse not to and even if they didn't kill the Cullen’s they defiantly wouldn't have helped them against the volturi.
About your other post. I'm thought about the blood when Bella looses her V card. I think that’s why Stephanie has Edward take her in to water before she fades to black. it's the perfect place for there first time, the water would wash away any blood and I'm sure it wasn't the only time they did it that night. Maybe after they started off in the water, they then moved it to the bedroom to finish.
Also not all girls bleed when they loose it. Me included it.
@ Emma...about still caring for another man when you have are mad crazy passionately in love with someone else...
You can!!! Or should I say...I have...
@ Nik...at the height of you can still be in control, not totally but enough to focus especially to do what to need to do to prolong the pleasure...(C...that's prob why i've got so many chn!) haahahahahaha!
I know...too much info right!
@ nikola6 again! Haha!
I’ve thought about Edwards jizz too. LMAO!
I think it's different for a male vamp from a female. See the lady vamp is turned with her eggs in her ovaries at want ever stage they are in development. A woman’s eggs can only be in the right place for fertilization for 48 hrs a month. So it's very unlikely a lady vamp would have been turned at that exact time. Also she can't grow her womb. I wonder if a girl got turned while she got her period, weather she would have to spend the rest of her vamp life on the rag. Eeew! haha!
Anyway, a guy always has sperm ready. Sooo when he was turned he would still have that sperm on the ready from the day he was turned (if he didn't wank and wasted it that is) I'm guessing Edward never beat one out before that night and got Bella knocked up with 93 year old sperm :)
'With that scent of fresh blood...'
He was indifferent to her blood at this point. His only concern was her safety, the thought that he wouldn't be able to control himself enough to be gentle. He probably lost it in the end (orgasm), but otherwise he was in control.
@ nikola6
The thing you said about menstrual blood. Stephanie was right, it is dead blood. You say year right, blood is blood. But have you ever heard of a vampire drinking blood from a dead body. Nope. vile subject, but interesting.
@desi - maybe I'm wrong but imo it's not possible, not when you love a man so much that you can hardly breath at the mere sight of him. Not when he makes you feel dizzy with every touch. And then what - would you go to a less desirable person when you can be with THE MAN? Nope. No way. I don't believe it. You can do that, when your feelings are not THAT strong. You can love more than one person, sure, but you will forget about them the moment you see the object of you red-hot affection.
Damn. I was ready to close this thing down, but temptation got the better of me and I refreshed and emma...
I gotta agree with desi. It absolutely is possible to love more than one person at a time. Many, many, many people do. But in organizing ourselves into societies, we came up with the one man/one woman ideal (which was really about the controlling of women. but that's another post...or rather, another blog. lol). And then the poets and the writers jumped on board and we got Romeo and Juliet, Heathcliff and Kathy and Elizabeth Bennett and Mr. Darcy. And I'm not saying that one man and one woman cannot love and want each other their whole lives. Of course they can and some do. But a lot do not find that kind of love. But it does not go against human nature to love more than one person at a time.
And I didn't meant to imply that Bella was in love with Jacob. No. She was Edward's; heart, mind, body and soul. But she did love Jacob. And it killed her to hurt him. But she did it and there was no question that she would, because like she tells Jacob in reference to Edward..."it's him. It's always been him."
And Grace...
I disagree. If Jacob made the decision on his own not to murder that baby, he could then go to that pack and tell them...NO! We are not killing that baby and we are not going to war with the Cullens because Edward turned Bella. Edward asked my permission and I GAVE IT! At that is the moment when Jacob would assume the position as alpha and if need be, bring Sam to his knees. And if the alpha says no, then it's no. And this way, the pack wouldn't have to split as Jacob would assume his rightful place.
The imprinting weakens Jacob as a character because it binds him. He is not free to make his own decisions. And when were not making our own decisions and taking responsibility for them, then we are not growing up.
I'm looking at this as a writer, not a fan of the story in love with Edward and Bella (which I am). In how I would adapt it for the screen. In how I would make it a stronger dramatic narrative with more emotional complexity; Jake leaves them all at the end because even though he mans up and accepts it, it's still too hard for him to bear. Bella is heartbroken because HER FRIEND whom she loves, but cannot love him back the way he wants, is going off on his own leaving family and friends behind and Edward knows that his wife loves him. He knows she doesn't WANT Jacob, but he also knows that she loves him and that hurts. And Edward has to accept this because it was his actions that put all of this in motion. If he hadn't left, Bella would have never had to turn to Jacob and he would have just remained her little childhood pal. Edward only has himself to blame. This is what I mean by emotional complexity and would give the actors a whole hell of a lot more to work with.
Because what works on the page doesn't always transfer successfully to the screen because they are two different mediums. And the imprinting in BD did not even work on the page. Before BD, Meyer could do no wrong. But the concept of imprinting burst her bubble and the criticism she received, not only from the critics, but from fans of the books, shook her up pretty good. She admitted as much.
It is a bad idea. It doesn't work and if they attempt it in the film I think they're going to run into the same shitstorm as they did with it in the book.
I hope that I am wrong and that they can make it work because I do think they're going forward with it. I sincerely wish them luck. They're gonna need it. And I'd hate to see this franchise end on a whimper as oppose to a bang. Imprinting derailed the books. Why do they think it's going to succeed on film?
As I said, I hope they've figured out how to do it because I only want to see this franchise succeed.
grace...
That is one of the funniest damn post I ever read. I loved it. I'm gonna go read it again. I am laughing hard here.
Grace, that is hilarious! The subject of Edward "beating one out" is covered in fan fics, it's very sexy!
About the sperm - it was there the moment he was turned into a vampire. As far as the female vampires are concerned the egg wasn't there or their wombs were unable to support life because they couldn't change. It's the only half-reasonable explanation I can come up with. Let's leave it at that :D The story has so many holes
Many many girls do not have bleeding on their first time anymore because of the use of tampons (not the 'teen' size they make now, but regular ones, which many were using and still may choose to use). That is why some religious communities forbid girls to use tampons until after they are married; the showing of the blood is still valued to prove virginity.
As for the imprinting, I agree with Nik that it was a device but I feel it was stupidly done and not thought out enough. I have said this before: There could have been presented a Quilute tradition that a male imprints on a female to be her life-long guardian, protector, rather than her mate. That would have kept Jacob relevant in the story, attached as if like family to Bella, without bordering on pedophile. And it would have developed the same ending, where Jacob tells Charlie, because as protector, Jacob would not want the Cullens movng away; where Bella arranges all of the documents for Jacob to run off with Renesmee to protect her if the Volturi got Bella and Edward; it would have involved the Quilutes to help the Cullens because one of their own (JAcob) was imprinted as protector of a Cullen, etc. But it would have been much more beautiful because Renesmee could love her father as much as she loved her mother, and would have her parents as her 2 most beloved, rather than her protector, who could have come in as third.
I realize this is not how SM wrote it, but perhaps if she had had more time, she might have come up wth ths as a more sensible way to deal with Jacob. And since MR has changed some things, as is inevitable in most book-to-script adaptations anyway, i do wish she would change this one detail.
emma...
I know. I'm sorry. This is a fantasy. A fairy tale. Not War And Peace. But like I said, sometimes my brain takes off and I start twirling. It's only description I can come up with. It's feels like a twirling top. Also, being a Virgo, I can be quite critical and anyilitical by nature (although I cannot spell for shit). But I'm usually not critical of other people. Well. I can certainly go toe to toe with people, but I'm not judgemental when it comes to personal life choices. I pretty much accept people for who they are. But when it comes to artistic endeavor...oooh. I can get pretty tough. I absolutely abhor a whole in a story. And yeah, this one is full of them.
But at the time I was reading them (about 2 years ago and I only read them once), I was caught up in the compelling character of Edward Cullen. He was the reason I kept reading. And when I first started, I didn't know Rob Pattinson from a hole in the ground. I loved Edward. Without that character, this was just a drippy little high school romance to me and I wouldn't have finished the first book. And so I guess at the time, being enthralled with him, I overlooked some things. But time and distance gives you perspective. And...well...I just got to thinking about a few things tonight. But I gotta stop thinking.
No good will come of it, I tell ya. LOL!
'Morning all you nite owls. Looks like I missed all the fun. BD storyline has always been a dilemma for me, then I remember this is a fictional fairytale about loving vampires, so why look for logic?
However, totally agree with Nik that in order to salvage this story and turn it from a Disney happy ending to a real love story, there has to be some hearts broken. Jacob should leave.
Just wanted to say that Nic, I think your comments are hilarious...
mostly lurker here and probably people will throw things at me, but I am sorry to hear that it will be 2 movies. WAIT WAIT WAIT. It's because I think that Rob and Kristen would really like to get out from under the whole Twilight thing. THey talk about how much their characters mean to them, etc., but I think it will just be a relief when it's over and they can go make the kinds of movies they really want to make, and hopefully have the fan hysteria die down a bit. JMHO.
Of course if I thought there were any chance of the movies being R then I would feel differently ;)
Solas...
That was absolutely perfect. Make him her protector and not her future lover. And yes, the imprinting did keep that little girl from loving her father as much as she did her mother and Jacob. She did love Jacob more than her father and THAT for me, was the lowest point of this story. It's just poor storytelling and showed an ametuer side to this writer in that she screwed with the integrity of her story in order to serve the character she favored. To the detriment of her story.
We needed to see more of father and daughter here. Because that was the miracle of this story; that Edward was able to have his own child. And it got tossed for Jacob.
I swear to god, if I ever find myself in a Q&A with her, I'm gonna ask her this question...
Ms. Meyer...
Why did you sacrifice that part of your story; the miracle of Edward Cullen and HIS child for Jacob Black?
THIS is what damaged this story for me. And I just now figured it out. Thank you Solas.
@ nikola6 - It is possible to love more than one person at a time. I know that :) But ladies, have you ever experienced love THAT strong, strong to the point of being sick? I can relate :/ I loved a man this way :/ It was scary as hell, and as much as I wanted to regain my will power and be myself again and stop loving the guy so much, it was impossible. When he was around I didn't care about anything and anyone. Btw, I left him in the end, this love was too much to bear. But he was hardly perfect and I had enough time to start feeling the opposite. I hated him in the end for what I felt in his presence. I'm a strong-willed person (in my normal state of mind) and I could't bear being somebody's slave. But as I said, he was hardly perfect that's why I had to escape (to another country). Nevertheless I know that I will never love anyone the way i loved him. SM pictured E/B's love in this super-intense, physiological way therefore I'm sure it's impossible for Bella to really care for another man (not when your king is around) Just sayin' :)
See. I always focused on the ranking of the people she loved in their IMPORTANCE to her. With her mother first, Jacob second and her father third. But that wasn't it at all. It wasn't about who was the most important to her. It was about who she LOVED the most. And she loved Jacob more than her father.
That's it. THAT'S what's been bugging me for almost two years about this. That was it.
WOW!
I wonder why Stephenie Meyer would write a story this way as she has always maintained that she had an extrodinary relationship with her own father. Why would she then write a little girl who loved another man more than her father?
Because Bella loved Edward more and for Meyer, Jacob had to win too. So she gave him Edward's daughter.
I wonder if Rob -smart cookie that he is- has put this together? And if he asked that it be addressed.
To me, Edward largely disappeared from the story once Bella realised she was pregnant and they returned to Forks. To be honest, this broke my heart, for such a major character to fade to grey.
So much more could have been made of Edward picking up his tiny miracle, looking at her, murmering about her to Bell - our little girl....
But no.
@nik - do you think they'll film both parts at the same time and just break out the releases into two movies?
@BellaMarie247. I was asking myself the same question. I hope they shoot both parts once. Make it like they done it for Lord of the Rings. They keep the characters looking the same. Rob won't be able to look like he is 17 much longer...
Just have to see him on the set of WFE. He has matured into a beautiful young man and he is gonna get even better in the future.
So right Carole...
She couldn't even leave Edward his OWN child. This has really rocked me. It's changed the whole thing for me. And it took me almost two years to figure out what it was that was bugging me.
And yes BellaMarie...
They will film the WHOLE thing and then in the edit decide where to half it. That's why I figure this will be close to a four month shoot.
And if they get started as soon as say mid October and with shutting down production during the holidays (Christmas and New Years), which would be for about 10 days to 2 weeks, I figure this is gonna wrap maybe late February. Something like that. Depending on how fast Bill Condon works.
nikola6 - being a Virgo myself I can feel your pain :) I endured the story for Edward as well, otherwise I would have died of embarrassement for reading a book so ...vain, and now I have to endure the movies for Rob. Oh, well. But I had to put my mind around the holes the best way possible :)
Hold up wait a minute..lets put alil nursing in it.
@Solas-many virgins can use tampons because hymens do not completely cover the opening of the vagina. That's why the blood can still flow out. Plus, most hymens are half mooned shaped on the lower opening of the vagina canal. Allowing the use of small tampons. If the hymen is shaped different or covers a larger area. Then no, you cannot use a tampon, or a girl has too use a teen one.
It's true that some women do not bleed their first time. Either because it's been accidently broken by physical activity during childhood. Or the hymen was just developed really small.
The fact that some cultures don't allow women to use tampons before marriage. Has NOTHING to do with having too have evidence of blood after the wedding night. Has too do with modesty.
It take alil bit more force to RIP a hymen. Then inserting a tampon. LOL
And I seriously doubt that Rob will go home for Christmas this year. Chances are his family will come to him this time. Maybe rent a big house for the holidays to accomodate everyone? I dunno. But Christmas in Vancouver? How gorgeous would that be?
In fact, I would be very surprised if they put Rob and Kristen back in that same hotel again. Everyone knows the name of it now (hell. the papps will probably rent their own rooms there. not to mention the fans showing up. 'oh, are Rob and Kristen staying here? I didn't know that'. sure ya didn't). When stars become as big as Rob and Kristen have with this thing, the studio usually puts them up in a house. A secluded house with lots of privacy and security. Yup. Sounds like just the ticket for these two.
Remembering that the story was told from Bella's and jacob's POV, also remember we do get snippets even so from those POVs of edward. We are told that Edward sang to Renesmee who was brought to him the 3 days he was with Bella when she was changing, and renesmee has memories of that. We have Bella's awarenss of Edward's torture and pan concerning her pain. So perhaps MR can weave a better story using hints like this, and yes, NIkola, intelligent input from insightful Rob, to develop Edward better in this book where he is almost ignored except for the hints, and hopefully to the develop the story better and in a more intellectually and emotionally satisfying way.
oh lord, you've got me thinking about Christmas with Rob, snow falling gently outside, twinkle lights and a tree...can you see who is sitting on the sofa, holding a drink and patting the spot next to him? Damn, Christmas Eve is my Birthday and that's some gift (even if it's wrapped in fantasy paper).
Mistletoe, anyone?
I hear ya Kember...
I wore tampons (but I had to use the teeny, tiny ones) and when I lost mine...HOLY HELL!!!
I thought I was being harpooned by a mad monk. OW! It hurt like a son of bitch. And my hymen was broken. The doctor did it at 15 during my first pelvic. And that hurt like the devil too. And I bled...alot.
Okay. I think this might be the strangest turn a thread has taken around here yet. LOL!
Nic Baby,
You're on a roll tonight !!! Continue for tomorrow. You might be asleep by now. It's past midnight on my side of the world and laughing my heart out about: couldn't even finish the 1st page of your Fan-Fic. For you~~that's unheard of. Please find time to finish what you started.
@Gracefulgrace,
I was cracking too with laughter with your comment of 93 yr. old sperm. My brain is quite good picking up the unusual. LOL
@Solas,
Hope MR picks up the Protector mode for Jacob. If she's done changes doing the scripts/screenplay? then perhaps she can deal with this with the approval of SM? Let's just & see.
LMAO Nik
I was a tomboy. You have to climb chain link fences to sneak into ball-games. I was seven, foot slipped. OUCH~!
The moviemakers surely know the draw of Robert Pattinson in these films...and to have him take a back-seat again like in NM would probably not serve them well.
I think they'll take every nugget of Edward that is there and play it up, to even things out between him and wolfboy. We will see the love between him and his daughter, I believe. I don't think, tho, that they will make a huge change like getting rid of the imprinting...unfortunately.
IMHO anyway.
C'mon. Anybody else gotta hymen story? LMFAO!!!
cheeky--no, I can defnitely say in my culture, grls are told to not use them because the mothers are afraid the girls will not be biologcal vrgins. Whether the fear is based on actual fact or not, i do not know. And whilst it is true we are raised to be modest, don't recall it being an issue of modesty; i just remember my mother freaking out when one of my big sisters bought tampons. My mother said she would be 'ruined.' I was young and didn't understand this, but later as a teen, living in a country where only tampons were available as far as I could find, I was forced to use them and I would think that the initial discomfort was a sign that I, too, was 'ruined' in my mother's mind had she known what I was using.
You are correct, however, in stating that not every girl or woman bleeds the first time, for whatever reason. I often think of this need to see blood, or literature's emphasis on the blood, as a sign of conquering; the man has conquered the woman as if in battle, and the blood is the red badge not of courage, but of being wounded in a battle she did not win.
I'm getting punchy. I gotta go lie down.
One more night of insomnia? Check.
LM MF AO~!!!
Cafe Hotel is a very small joint. They do not issue tickets to patrons. They simply keep a list of buyers for each show, which is monitored/checked by a bouncer at the entrance. Buying tickets online is your best option. And don't bother calling...good luck if you do...
losing it hurt, and i bled like the first 2-3 times after having sex with my then-future-husband. I freaked out. Thank goodness he was patient with me.
you girls are a riot!
As for Rob and Kristen doing certain scenes, I hope if they do it is not too much, too revealing, because I do believe they are a lovely loving couple, and i would feel like a voyeur on their very private personal lives, far worse than pappz pics, even though the latter are against their will.
I also recall it was kind of the kiss of death for Tom Cruise and Nikole Kidman. I wondered how much of itwas because it cross the line from real life to playacting, for their relationship.
What I wanna know is...
Why did nature or God or whoever threw this taco stand together, why is losing virginity painful for the woman and not the man? Why must we be literally torn and bleed (well. some of us). Why?
@ nik and Carole Te he! Glad I made you laugh girls. But god my grammer was rubbish in that post :p
I like that Jacob imprinted on Renesmee only for the fact he is her perfect choice when she is a woman and because it bonds the wolf pack and the Cullen's. I don't think Jacob could have said "NO!" To Sam. He was no longer the one united wolf pack. Remember they split up over that same problem.
However I do think it would have been better if Jacob had imprinted on Renesmee after she became a woman. Would have been ok if it wasn't a happy ending for Jacob as long as she wrote another book showing that happy ending in the end. I hate sad endings in fantasy novels. It's meant to be a fantasy.
@Solas-When I wrote that, I was thinking of my friend who is strict Muslim. We all know how strict they can be, and yes they use to check the sheets up until not too long ago. Being my naive self, I asked him about it a few years ago, and he couldn't stop laughing. He said, "I think you need to read up on modern culture alil bit more. We have become alil more educated; physiologically speaking."
I did, and yes, if they do. It's usually personal choice or their family's. Of course, I could be wrong, and he's more modern than most. I doubt it though. LOL
Haha! Hymen storey woot! I didn't have a hymen :( to much masterbating probably. I was 19 and horny and still a virgin, what can I say. I wonder if my boyfriend I lost it to believed me.
ladyryan2...
Hmmm...
Well maybe I misunderstood my friend. He told me, I got you six. I just assumed tickets waiting for me at the box office. You mean my name is on a list with the number 6 next to it?
And they don't take phone calls? 'Cause I would just call them and tell them to scratch my name and put the name Kimmie on the list instead.
Crap. I may actually have to go up there on the 22nd. And if I do, I might at well go in and hear the tunes.
@Nik-Because God knew. Men couldn't keep their hands off their penis' anyway. LMFAO
See...
*looks at grace*
...some women too. LMAO
Too much diet dr. pecker this morning. I mean pepper. LOL
as for love and the supposed triangle: It is true that she loved Jacob, but it was made very clear over and over starting in New MOon, that he would be like a subsitute for the real thing, that she 'could' love Jacob, but she had that hole in her heart for Edward, and that Edward was her one true love; she felt she would have to make that clear to Jacob were she to allow for a different kind of relationship beyond friendship; there were several times she was about to allow a kiss beyond friendship and then turned from it because she was not ready; she felt guilty about the idea of using him just because he was her sunshine, when her heart was really still all Edward's. And ultimately, she told Jacob, 'It was all about Edward, It was always about Edward.'
She felt for Jacob in Eclipse as well, but never expressed a romantic love, but rather kept feeling sorry for him, and forgiving him, because she DID love him, but was not feeling any romantic love for him. And when they finally had that scene of the long kiss, where she envisioned a life with him, with her her aging parents (her not being changed) and with babies, she made it clear to him afterwards, when he was recovering, that it was what COULD have been, not what WOULD have been-- she realized that in a different world, without Edward, but also with her self not being an old, responsible soul, that she might have been with Jacob, but with herself as she was, it would not happen. (I will add here that I found it another sign of poor writing that Bella said to Edward, after her crying shpiel, 'but I love you MORE.' She didn't just love Edward more; she loved him DIFFERENTLY. The truth is, there is a difference between just loving a man and being in love and loving a man and wanting to bond with him and share life (or eternity) with him.
Edward said it best when he told Bella that she had holes in her heart from his leaving, and Jacob patched those holes, and that was bound to make a bond between them.
That bond, however, was nothing like the bond between Bella and Edward, and ultimately Bella knew that.
cheeky--it depends on the place-- I know for sure of a certain area in a certan land (will not say where) where Muslims hang the sheets out on the line when a girl first gets her period, and also hang the marriage sheets out, and I know of religious Jewish women who save the bloodied sheets of the wedding night as proof of their virginity.
I personally find it all disturbing and disturbed--but what do I know?
Nik--I have my ideas on it--wanna know?
Yeah Solas, I think that's completely degrading and disgusting. Yuck.
Grace, SM could have had Jacob imprint as a protector on Renesmee, and could have had his relationship as protector of Renesmee lead him to the real mate of his life.
I do believe very much in soul mates, but I found the idea of imprinting as a mate with Renesmee, a newborn/infant/child as just too disgustngly close to pedophelia. Finding one's soulmate when both mates are chldren, or when they are adults, even with an age discrepancy, is far more reasonable not only from a gut reaction, but also from an intellectual logical perspective of personality and experiences and emotional/social maturation.
Nic., I love your post and I've enjoy reading this thread. But... I certainly didn't want Edward living the rest of eternity been punish for something he thought he was doing for the right reasons. Been turned at 17and living for almost 100 yrs alone... I think he was punished enough. In my opinion the character of Jacob didn't deserved that... if he had won Belly, he would have moved on and not give a second of thoughts to what Edward would be going through. Sorry.
@ Cheeky LMAO! *blush*
I was so god damn scared of loosing it, I thought I should practise first. That's the only reason... honest :P
Wow! hearing all these horrer story of women's vajaja's be ripped apart makes me cring. I was lucky it just burned a bit the first two times.
Maybe Bella's hymen was broken with all that riding on Edwards back. Here's hoping anyway. :D
@solas - Exactly. That's what I was trying to say earlier. She couldn't love Jacob the same way, the romantic and sexual way. Because she loved Edward more than anything, she was crazy about him. Poor writing or lack of the actual experience.
LMFAO
I swear to God grace. The first thing that popped into my head was...
BROKE BACK HYMEN~!!!
So, there's going to make this into a Disney movie, complete with a Thomas Kincaid cottage, and a beautiful little girl playing in the yard with a big russet-colored Dog.
Mom and Dad look lovingly on, as they plan their next trip into the forest for a meal.
Haa, I just cracked myself up!
@Bella-I'm keeping my mouth shut on that one. Yall know how I feel. LOL :X
@ solas Ive see it said on here a few time. But Jacob never imprinted on Renesmee as a mate. I don't know why people think this as he was clear in saying that was definatly not what imprinting was. when they imprinting, the become what ever that person needs them to be. Protecter, brother or mate. So in a sents what you said about imprint as a protector on Renesmee, and lead him to the real mate of his life. Well that's what will probably happen. He was her protecter, best friend. That may develope into love one day.
All this CHEESE... poor Robert.
I'm gonna get fired! I just spent the last 25+ minutes reading through this voluminous thread.
@Nik, if you wake up any time soon, I'm dizzy from all the BD discussion. Lots of good opinions and insight, but I gotta say the thing is full of holes, the least being the intricacies of the human/vampire sex issues, which ALWAYS perplexed me, how we were suppose to buy it the way SM sold it. If Edward is cold with skin like marble, uhm, how does that translate to his private parts: cold, marble = inorganic, static.
@Grace, LMFAO. Your comment is a keeper!
@Toomuchpretty, ITA, you said exactly what I was going to but didn't think it would be appreciated so much with the lively discussion about BD going on. I, too, want to see Rob and Kristen out from under this and despite the hefty paychecks, I'm sure they want it to be finished already. This thing has just taken up so much of their lives, in more ways than one.
@Cheeky
BROKE BACK HYMEN~!!! LMFAO!
gracefulgrace - yes, he is Renesmee's satelite, just like Bella is Edward's. She can fall for him because he would be everything she needed, Edward also had a choice (well, sort of, just like Renesmee)
http://www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/robert-pattinson-cancels-appearance-due-to-hemorrhoids
HAHAHAHAHA BRILLIANT. :)
I agree with Goz. My favorite book. Really looking forward to this movie. We need the broken headboard and the feathers and the meet in the ocean.
Did you ladies forget "Remember Me" had sex scenes and it was rated PG-13? I thought Stephenie did a wonderful job with their honeymoon. Would love to get my hands on the screenplay for this one.
@DeeDee: Rob did say in the interview they'd have to exclude 16 & under which implies an R rating to me. When asked what the young Twilight fans who petition against it could do then, he said they would buy the dvd. Of course, he was JOKING. Caps for emphasis. He's pragmatic, whatever he might wish....lol
I re-read Eclipse and I want to mention something about the imprinting.
It's been mentioned here many times that SM didn't write about the possibility of Jacob imprinting and leaving Bella. (that's if Bella had chosen him). We said that probabbly she hadn't thought of it.
I re-read chapter 22 today and it is mentioned. It is just one line though and there isn't any further discussion about it.
Anyway, here it is!
"And if she were to decide that she wanted me?" Jacob challenged. "Okay, it’s a long shot, I’ll give you that."
"I would let her go."
"Just like that?"
"But I would keep watch. You see Jacob, you might leave her someday. Like Sam and Emily, you wouldn’t have a choice. I would always be waiting in the wings, hoping for that to happen."
Finally finished reading this book,
Great messages. Love ya Nik, and you can write as long a message as you want. Think Goz was teasing ya? I did anyway.
The imprinting issue did not bother me, but the fact that Edward was so far down the list, like Nik said, DID bother me too. Renesmee was the only vampire child and was a miracle child. At least she did write in the fact he sang to her while Mom was changing, he also held her when she challenged Emmett, he cuddled her in the field vs. the Volturi, but when she was born he was TOO worried about saving Bella's life than worry about a healthy child. She is his priority after all. And this is a fantasy, so I went with it.
One more thing, I also laughed when Robward froze in Biology class. The whole audience did, but it was Rob's acting that got my chuckle and my daughters. We knew what he was supposed to be feeling from reading the books and I think 95% of the audience had read the books at that time. We all just enjoyed Rob. Anyway, that's my explanation of that scene. His glares at her and Kris sniffing her hair, was wonderful. That showed the real angst. Oh, when Kellen waved the knife in the kitchen and when Alice hugged Bella, got some smirks. But that's all. The rest was Drooling at Rob.
The sperm viable was my one plot whole. If a women's was frozen, so is a guys. But now its venom? But with all the DNA from fingernail stuff, guess it is plausible after all.
Love and hugs to all who come here.
vafla--I do remember that part, and never thought SM left that as a hole; I just thought it showed how inconsiderate Jacob was of Bella in truth, that he knew darn well it could happen at any time that he would imprint, and leave Bella.
And that, btw, Grace, is one of the many times that it is clear Jacob's imprinting on Renesmee was as a mate. How about Edward and Bella thinking of him as a son-in-law? (Good-bye, my son, etc) How about Bella p*ssed beyond belief that Jacob imprinted on Renesmee ? (She would not have been had it merely as a protector; she might have loved that)How about having Sam's imprint very clearly portrayed as a lifelong mate, with no escape, no choice. Jacob wasn't just her satellite; just at the time of Renesmee's childhood he was, but the idea was ALWAYS there that they would be mates for life once she was old enough.
I'm sure nobody will actually read this, but I'll post it anyway. I've thought about the first time blood a number of times, and I wondered, was their first time actually in the ocean? Or did they wait until they got into bed? If it was in the ocean, then I think it would have diluted it enough not to bother Edward. If it was in the bed, it's just another glaring plot hole, along with Edward's still viable sperm.
The other thing that bothers me about their first time is the fact that it was like it was no big deal that it was their first time. I remember what the first time felt like with a real boy, how could Bella not be sore after a rock hard (and that's another subject) super strong vampire? And Edward should have lasted about 3 seconds after waiting over 100 years LOL. Instead it was just yep, we had sex.
The thing that bothers
marna, I am still reading--I try to read 2 pages worth rather than only the most recent threads.
I agree, the first time was probably in the water.
I also think Edward, in his extreme love and care for Bella and not wanting to cause her any pain, would take it very slowly, and not a 'slam bam thank you maam' push. And although he had no experience, he had made sure to ask questions from those in his family who did have experience, so that Bella would have the least discomfort, and hopefully the best experience. From what I recall of their conversation afterwards, even though he was angry with himself for making her black and blue, they were both astonished at how wonderful they felt.
@solas
Jacob was just a kid, I always thought that he was so into Bella because she was in love with another man, who happened to be stronger, wealthier and more gorgeous than Jacob. He was competitive. He wanted to win against Edward. He knew he won't imprint on Bella yet he tried to steal her away from Edward. Then he left her when she was dying...
"the idea was ALWAYS there that they would be mates" not really, there was sth about being so good for the lady that she would fall in love with the person who imprinted her "it's hard to resist that level of commitment and adoration". There was also sth in Eclipse about Bella being Edward's satellite. He was her planet - the centre of her universe - she was willing to give up everything to be with him(life, family etc.) She never had a choice (Eclipse) Imprinting was similar (planet, satellite concept) Therefore the whole 'I love Jacob' nonsense is even more ridiculous imo.
emma--I do recall that bit about 'being so good for the girl that why wouldn't she..' etc., but I took that more as Jacob's rationalization and defense of the situation (especially of his friends with toddlers), because the real examples made it clear it was for mates, for life. If it were not, then Sam would not have had to leave Leah as he did; he could have imprinted and protected Emily while remaining in love with Leah, but the imprinting left him totally bound in love and lust with Emily.
@solas - it was written about Kim and Jared :) Something similar was written about Sam and Emily - she was shocked and appalled, but he adored her so much, then the accident occured and he was crazed with pain and she comforted him and then blah blah. He had no choice. That's it. I guess it's SM's fault. The story is inconsistient.
emma, yes,that is the bottom line for me: the story ultimately pulled me and touched me, as I related to some things in a very strange way that i am fairly sure SM never intended, but so many of the details, especially in the last book, seemed, to me, rushed and not thought out enough. It could have been much much better, and I think part of the reason is, she was pressured for time. So many mistakes in grammar, so many words and phrases used over and over when the story might have been enriched with other words( I wanted to send her a thesaurus). I don't blame her- I write and I know that it is very hard once you know edxactly where you want the story to go, to get things just right, including the prose and vocabulary that tells in a rich way. I think a good editor might have caught a lot of stuff.
@solas - my thoughts exactly!
Solas, exactly about the editor part. I can see why there would be problems with Twilight, because it was SMs first book, but a half way decent editor should have been able to fix the problems. Obviously her editors gave her their worst editor. What I don't understand is after Twilight became such a big hit, why didn't they use a better editor. The other books have the same stupid mistakes & I guess, the same crap editor. Did they think it wouldn't matter because it was the YA market?
As for Edward's staying power, I wasn't referring to his technique, I was referring to the fact that NO guy lasts his first time, & Edward shouldn't have been any different. My analogy is driving a car. Most people have spent years watching other people drive, & listening to them talk about it so that the concept of driving a car is about as common as breathing. When it's your turn to be in the driver's seat, it's a whole different thing though, that car feels a lot bigger & out of your control than you thought it would, no matter how many times you've seen it done. Edward should have had the lasting power of any other 17 year old boy getting laid for the first time. Which is pretty much nothing LOL
Maarna-- I don't know. I don't even want to go NEAR what my experiences have been, so we will just have to stretch the imagination for Edward and make believe he was kind and gentle and patient for a long time. 0:-)
@Marna - Edward had a will of steel. He wasn't even interested that much in having sex with Bella because he was scared sh!tless. He gave her his body in a truly masochistic manner. His main concern was her safety, not his own pleasure. He knew it's a frenzy which can be compared to drinking human blood, he was aware of it. Give the boy some credit, he endured being with, and kissing his cantante :) He was one tough cookie.
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